The Magician and the Fool Podcast

Unraveling esoteric thought and practice

E11 Jeffrey Kotyk; East Asian astrology and astral magic

November 17th, 2018



In this episode we spoke with Jeffrey Kotyk PhD of McMaster University on the topic of East Asian astrology and astral magic. Jeffrey walks us from West to East and explains the heavy Greco-Egyptian and Persian influences on the development of Chinese and Japanese esoteric practice.

Jeffrey's Blog:

Jeffrey's papers:


E10 Christopher Warnock ; Renaissance Astrology

October 19th, 2018



In this episode we had the good fortune to be able to chat with Christopher Warnock of

We are extremely grateful for the opportunity to talk with one of the great pioneers in the field of astrological magic.

We discussed the great chain of being and its association with platonic thought, astrological remediation, Chris' formula for making talismans, the influence of the moon, working with the malifics, as well as Chris' experience with the Eastern esoteric traditions of Zen and Shingon Buddhism. We also discussed Chris' upcoming book on the fixed stars and the philosophy of working with them.
And a whole lot more.


E9 Edward Butler

September 23rd, 2018



In this Episode we talk to Edward Butler of

Mr Butler tests the limits of understanding with some profound insight, and wonderful commentary on later Platonists such as Proclus.

We cover so many interesting topics such as the nature of the Forms, the Logoi, the Ineffability of the Gods, Idiotes, the infrastructure of Being, Daimons, Zeus as Nous, the principal of the One, the relationship of the Henads to the One and the procession of Being, and much more. You know, some light topics...

Some of Mr Butler's work:


Outro song by the artist Eivør


E8 Greg Shaw

September 9th, 2018


 In this episode we were fortunate enough to talk to the very generous Professor Greg Shaw about Iamblichus and his theurgy. Its obvious that professor Shaw has explored this content on a very deep level. We discussed many topics including the nature and role of Daimons, and the practical application of prayer, meditation and the use of Sunthemata in theurgy. We also touched on the role of Hecate as well as using Jungian models for exploring the practice. 

Professor Shaw's work:



E7 Robert Place

August 25th, 2018


This is the second episode with a focus on the Tarot.

We had the wonderful opportunity to interview artist, author and practitioner Robert Place on today's show. We talked alchemy, Hermes, Dracula, Pythagoras and well as discussed in depth Robert's multiple influential decks. Enjoy!


Robert's website:

E6 Stuart Sudekum “The Veil and its Symbols”

August 25th, 2018


It was a pleasure to have researcher, teacher, and professional reader Stuart Sudekum join us to discuss the esoteric heavyweight Aurthur Waite, and the depth of his famous Tarot. Stuart is a real wealth of knowledge on the Tarot and is currently working on a book that we cant wait to read!

Stuart's band Apibus :

E5 : Simon Magus part 2

August 25th, 2018


We continue our conversation on the controversial Simon with returning guest Alex Rivera.

This time we focused more on the theology and philosophy of the Samaritan Magus. The universal fire, the boundless power, the fallen first thought, the 6 roots of the cosmos...and more.

As mentioned in the episode:

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E4 Simon Magus

August 25th, 2018


Roundtable discussion with Alex Rivera from

We dive deep into the topic of Simon Magus in this episode. Alexandrian trained Samaritan magician, and perhaps the father of Gnosticism. We cover his associations with Jesus, John the Baptist and others. You will not find a more thorough assessment of Simon then you will here. Lets dispel some myths together and find the truth.

E3 Hermeticism part 2

August 25th, 2018




We continue and conclude (for now) our conversation on Hermes and Hermeticism. We look at some of the moral lessons in the Corpus Hermeticum...including the ideas of redemption and salvation. We also explore the concept of the immortality of the cosmos.

E2 The Cosmology of Hermeticism

August 24th, 2018


We continue the theme of ancient cosmology in episode 2 with a look at Hermeticism.

We are painted a picture of the beginnings of creation through the Corpus Hermeticum.

Specifically the book called Poimandres.

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