The Magician and the Fool Podcast

Unraveling esoteric thought and practice

E44 Kerry Wisner: Traditional Witchcraft

October 5th, 2021




In this episode we speak to traditional witchcraft practitioner Kerry Wisner. This was a far reaching conversation which delved into the praxis of authentic witchcraft from someone who has been living this lifestyle for many years.

We touched on numerous important topics such as working with the spirits of nature, the tools employed by the traditional practitioner, working with the shadow, ethics in practice and much more.....


Kerry's books


Kerry's website



E43 Jeffrey Kupperman: Theurgic Praxis

September 15th, 2021




In this episode we speak with Dr Jeffrey Kupperman concerning the art and practice of Theurgy. We discuss the foundation, context and application of Platonic theology as a practical means for communing and working with the gods.


Jeffrey's book






E42 Jack Grayle: Into the Daimonic

August 11th, 2021



In this episode we speak to the always eloquent and interesting Jack Grayle. We explored ideas surrounding the nature of the gods, and daimonic emanations as avatars and representatives of them. We also looked at divine epiphanies as a reflection of the unseen world, and the dense and syncretic praxis of antiquity.   


Jack Grayle


his class on the Homeric epics


his PGM class


E41 T. Susan Chang: Divination and the Tarot

May 6th, 2021



T Susan Chang joins us today for a wonderful discussion on Divination. We talked about the inherent nature and practice of divination, and the tarot specifically. We touched on fate, sacrifice, and meaning. Susie also talks with us about her new book which explores the intersection of Astrology and Tarot in the journey of the Decan walk.




E40 Sorita D’este: Hekate

April 12th, 2021



Sorite D'este joins us today to discuss the multifaceted Titan Hekate.

Sorita educates us on the history and background of this remarkable and truly complex deity. Her traditional role, her functions, her jurisdiction  and  her associations.

We also tackle some common misconceptions and wrong thinking associated with this goddess, fueled in large part by marketing and pop-culture perceptions.



E39 Eric Purdue: Agrippa’s 3 Books of Occult Philosophy

March 17th, 2021



Traditional Astrologer, author, practitioner of Lucumi, Mr Eric Purdue joins us in this episode. We talk about his new, and very anticipated translation of the monumental work of polymath Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa von Nettesheim. It was a true pleasure to have him on the show.





E38 Dr Justin Sledge

February 21st, 2021



In this episode we had the wonderful opportunity to speak with Dr Justin Sledge about the complex matrix of Judaisms in classical antiquity.
Out of this matrix we get movements such as Gnosticism, Christianity, Samaritanism, the Essenes and the Mandeans  to name just a few. To say the Jewish impact on religious belief and spiritual practice in antiquity was significant would be a huge understatement.


Dr Sledge



E37 The Parmenides with Greg Shaw and Edward Butler

January 21st, 2021



In this episode we had the good fortune to be able to exchange ideas with two of our most popular former guests, the brilliant Gregory Shaw and Edward Butler. What better subject to talk about than the Parmenides, perhaps the most difficult of Plato's dialogs.  Of course it is no surprise that we tackled some really heavy topics, most notably, the One that is not. We also explore the interaction of polytheism and monotheism, the function and nature of the henads, as well as whatever else seemed interesting at the time.

Gregory Shaw

Edward Butler


E36 Working the PGM with Pedro F.

December 10th, 2020



This episode is all about praxis. Practically working the PGM from the perspective of veteran magician Pedro F.

Pedro was kind enough to walk us through his syncretic approach of conjure and ceremonial magic and how it applies to his work with the Greek magical papyri. 


Follow Pedro on his blog






E35 Christopher Bilardi : Braucherei

November 28th, 2020



In this episode we talk to scholar, Braucher, Priest and mystic...Mr Christopher Bilardi.

Chris educates us on the traditional German folk magical ways of Braucherei, also known as powwow. We discuss and examine the specific workings of this particular paradigm, and how it relates to other streams of magical thought and practice.




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