The Magician and the Fool Podcast

Unraveling esoteric thought and practice

E20 Aaron Cheak: The Alchemical gate of non-duality

September 16th, 2019



Dr Aaron Cheak joins us today to explore the depths of the Alchemical traditions. He describes Jean Gebser's diaphany and integral consciousness theories as they relate to the study of Alchemy....his understanding of the core and roots of the art, the importance of poison in moderation as a catalyst for growth, Zosimos and much much more.


His site


Rubedo Press



E19 Balthazar’s Conjure

August 21st, 2019




In this Episode we talk with the fascinating Balthazar of

Balthazar is a Rootworker, Medium, Diviner and Solomonic Magician based in Amsterdam. He hosts the popular Balthazar's Conjure YouTube channel, where he teaches his syncretic style of African folk magic and European spiritualism. 

We cover lots of interesting topics including:

Divination as a vehicle for healing, fate and free will in divination, The intersection of folk and ceremonial magic, Arthur Gauntlet and Madeline Montalban, ethics in magic, Blessed conditions, magical warfare and more!


Balthazar on YouTube:




The Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers:







E18 Artemis of the Ephesians with Dr James Rietveld

July 14th, 2019



In this episode we talk with Dr James Reitveld about his comprehensive work on the great Goddess Artemis of the Ephesians. Dr Rietveld takes us to the ancient metropolis of Ephesus in Anatolia and explains when, where and why this version of Artemis came to be. We discuss her connections to Isis, Cybele, Hekate, Demeter and the virgin Mary, as well as explore the rich symbolism that arises from this rich syncretism. We also talk about the fascinating Ephesian Grammata; their origins, uses and connections to the Greek Magical Papyri and Testament of Solomon. Also, we cant talk about Ephesus without discussing the extremely significant history it has in early Christianity. All of this and more. Enjoy!

Dr Rietveld:

His book:

Some YouTube videos:





E17 Angel Millar

June 6th, 2019




In this episode we are joined by author Angel Millar to discuss his upcoming book "The Three Stages of Initiatic Spirituality, Craftsman, Warrior, Magician".

We also talked about the importance of mind body balance as an improved esoteric paradigm, the impact and lessons of Yukio Mishima, Esoteric Freemasonry, the Islamic connections to Freemasonry and much more.

E16 M Isidora Forrest and the mysteries of Isis

May 20th, 2019



In this episode we were fortunate to be able to chat with author and priestess M Isidora Forrest on all things Isis. We spoke about the figure of Isis from the classic Egyptian periods through the Hellenistic and Roman periods in Egypt, The significance of magic as it relates to Isis as well as her connections to Thoth. Isadora also spoke about Isis in the PGM,  what it means to be a follower of Isis today....and much more.


Guest appearance on ‘My Alchemical Bromance’

May 5th, 2019



We were recently interviewed on the very cool 'My Alchemical Bromance' Podcast with Erik Arneson.

It was lots of fun, and maybe even a little controversial at times. 
We are looking forward to having Erik on our show in the near future.

We hope you enjoy!


E15 Sasha Chaitow; Josephin Peladan and the magic of art

March 18th, 2019



In this episode we talk to Sasha Chaitow PhD about the intriguing French Occultist Josephin Peladan and the symbolist movement of the late 1800s.
We discussed the power of art in esotericism, the neo-Platonic roots of Christian iconography, and much more.

Lots of fascinating information to digest!





E14 Marcus McCoy

February 10th, 2019




Marcus shows us how his bio-regional animism and plant spiritism is a viable and functional approach for Western Esotericism. He brings together a multifaceted practice of alchemy, herbal-ism, blacksmithing, and folk magic for a well rounded perspective on the occult arts. 

Botany of the Dead:

House of Orpheus:

Viridis Genii Symposium:

Troll Cunning Forge:




E13 Shannon Grimes: Zosimos of Panopolis

December 31st, 2018




We were fortunate enough to be joined by Dr Shannon Grimes to discuss her new book: Becoming Gold. Zosimos of Panopolis and the alchemical arts in Roman Egypt.
We discussed the historical Egyptian backdrop of the book, the views of Zosimos on magic, astronomy, daimons and of course, the visions of Zosimos. She helped define Alchemy during the early 4th century and really brings Zosimos to life.

Find the book from Rubedo Press here:

E12 Rev. Kosho Finch; Shingon Buddhism

December 15th, 2018



In this episode we speak with Rev Kosho Finch of the Hosshinji Shingon Buddhist Temple. Kosho sensei talks to us about Kobo Daishi, 3 secrets practice, connections to Zoroastrianism, the importance of ritual, the symbolism of Mikkyo, Buddhist astrology and much more....

Rev. Kosho Finch: