The Magician and the Fool Podcast

Unraveling esoteric thought and practice

Episode XVI: Isadora Forrest and the mysteries of Isis

May 20th, 2019



In this episode we were fortunate to be able to chat with author and priestess Isadora Forrest on all things Isis. We spoke about the figure of Isis from the classic Egyptian periods through the Hellenistic and Roman periods in Egypt, The significance of magic as it relates to Isis as well as her connections to Thoth. Isadora also spoke about Isis in the PGM,  what it means to be a follower of Isis today....and much more.


Guest appearance on ‘My Alchemical Bromance’

May 5th, 2019



We were recently interviewed on the very cool 'My Alchemical Bromance' Podcast with Erik Arneson.

It was lots of fun, and maybe even a little controversial at times. 
We are looking forward to having Erik on our show in the near future.

We hope you enjoy!


Episode XV: Sasha Chaitow; Josephin Peladan and the magic of art

March 18th, 2019



In this episode we talk to Sasha Chaitow PhD about the intriguing French Occultist Josephin Peladan and the symbolist movement of the late 1800s.
We discussed the power of art in esotericism, the neo-Platonic roots of Christian iconography, and much more.

Lots of fascinating information to digest!





Episode XIV: Marcus McCoy

February 10th, 2019




Marcus shows us how his bio-regional animism and plant spiritism is a viable and functional approach for Western Esotericism. He brings together a multifaceted practice of alchemy, herbal-ism, blacksmithing, and folk magic for a well rounded perspective on the occult arts. 

Botany of the Dead:

House of Orpheus:

Viridis Genii Symposium:

Troll Cunning Forge:




Episode XIII Shannon Grimes: Zosimos of Panopolis

December 31st, 2018




We were fortunate enough to be joined by Dr Shannon Grimes to discuss her new book: Becoming Gold. Zosimos of Panopolis and the alchemical arts in Roman Egypt.
We discussed the historical Egyptian backdrop of the book, the views of Zosimos on magic, astronomy, daimons and of course, the visions of Zosimos. She helped define Alchemy during the early 4th century and really brings Zosimos to life.

Find the book from Rubedo Press here:

Episode XII: Rev. Kosho Finch; Shingon Buddhism

December 15th, 2018



In this episode we speak with Rev Kosho Finch of the Hosshinji Shingon Buddhist Temple. Kosho sensei talks to us about Kobo Daishi, 3 secrets practice, connections to Zoroastrianism, the importance of ritual, the symbolism of Mikkyo, Buddhist astrology and much more....

Rev. Kosho Finch:



Episode XI: Jeffrey Kotyk; East Asian astrology and astral magic

November 17th, 2018



In this episode we spoke with Jeffrey Kotyk PhD of McMaster University on the topic of East Asian astrology and astral magic. Jeffrey walks us from West to East and explains the heavy Greco-Egyptian and Persian influences on the development of Chinese and Japanese esoteric practice.

Jeffrey's Blog:

Jeffrey's papers:


Episode X: Christopher Warnock ; Renaissance Astrology

October 19th, 2018



In this episode we had the good fortune to be able to chat with Christopher Warnock of

We are extremely grateful for the opportunity to talk with one of the great pioneers in the field of astrological magic.

We discussed the great chain of being and its association with platonic thought, astrological remediation, Chris' formula for making talismans, the influence of the moon, working with the malifics, as well as Chris' experience with the Eastern esoteric traditions of Zen and Shingon Buddhism. We also discussed Chris' upcoming book on the fixed stars and the philosophy of working with them.
And a whole lot more.


Episode IX: Edward Butler

September 23rd, 2018



In this Episode we talk to Edward Butler of

Mr Butler tests the limits of understanding with some profound insight, and wonderful commentary on later Platonists such as Proclus.

We cover so many interesting topics such as the nature of the Forms, the Logoi, the Ineffability of the Gods, Idiotes, the infrastructure of Being, Daimons, Zeus as Nous, the principal of the One, the relationship of the Henads to the One and the procession of Being, and much more. You know, some light topics...

Some of Mr Butler's work:


Outro song by the artist Eivør


Episode VIII : Greg Shaw

September 9th, 2018


 In this episode we were fortunate enough to talk to the very generous Professor Greg Shaw about Iamblichus and his theurgy. Its obvious that professor Shaw has explored this content on a very deep level. We discussed many topics including the nature and role of Daimons, and the practical application of prayer, meditation and the use of Sunthemata in theurgy. We also touched on the role of Hecate as well as using Jungian models for exploring the practice. 

Professor Shaw's work: