The Magician and the Fool Podcast

Unraveling esoteric thought and practice

E41 T. Susan Chang: Divination and the Tarot

May 6th, 2021



T Susan Chang joins us today for a wonderful discussion on Divination. We talked about the inherent nature and practice of divination, and the tarot specifically. We touched on fate, sacrifice, and meaning. Susie also talks with us about her new book which explores the intersection of Astrology and Tarot in the journey of the Decan walk.




E40 Sorita D’este: Hekate

April 12th, 2021



Sorite D'este joins us today to discuss the multifaceted Titan Hekate.

Sorita educates us on the history and background of this remarkable and truly complex deity. Her traditional role, her functions, her jurisdiction  and  her associations.

We also tackle some common misconceptions and wrong thinking associated with this goddess, fueled in large part by marketing and pop-culture perceptions.



E39 Eric Purdue: Agrippa’s 3 Books of Occult Philosophy

March 17th, 2021



Traditional Astrologer, author, practitioner of Lucumi, Mr Eric Purdue joins us in this episode. We talk about his new, and very anticipated translation of the monumental work of polymath Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa von Nettesheim. It was a true pleasure to have him on the show.





E38 Dr Justin Sledge

February 21st, 2021



In this episode we had the wonderful opportunity to speak with Dr Justin Sledge about the complex matrix of Judaisms in classical antiquity.
Out of this matrix we get movements such as Gnosticism, Christianity, Samaritanism, the Essenes and the Mandeans  to name just a few. To say the Jewish impact on religious belief and spiritual practice in antiquity was significant would be a huge understatement.


Dr Sledge



E37 The Parmenides with Greg Shaw and Edward Butler

January 21st, 2021



In this episode we had the good fortune to be able to exchange ideas with two of our most popular former guests, the brilliant Gregory Shaw and Edward Butler. What better subject to talk about than the Parmenides, perhaps the most difficult of Plato's dialogs.  Of course it is no surprise that we tackled some really heavy topics, most notably, the One that is not. We also explore the interaction of polytheism and monotheism, the function and nature of the henads, as well as whatever else seemed interesting at the time.

Gregory Shaw

Edward Butler


E36 Working the PGM with Pedro F.

December 10th, 2020



This episode is all about praxis. Practically working the PGM from the perspective of veteran magician Pedro F.

Pedro was kind enough to walk us through his syncretic approach of conjure and ceremonial magic and how it applies to his work with the Greek magical papyri. 


Follow Pedro on his blog






E35 Christopher Bilardi : Braucherei

November 28th, 2020



In this episode we talk to scholar, Braucher, Priest and mystic...Mr Christopher Bilardi.

Chris educates us on the traditional German folk magical ways of Braucherei, also known as powwow. We discuss and examine the specific workings of this particular paradigm, and how it relates to other streams of magical thought and practice.




E34 Christopher Plaisance : Evocating the Gods

November 14th, 2020




In this episode Christopher Plaisance speaks with us about his new book "Evocating the Gods; divine evocation in the Greco-Egyptian magical papyri". 

We cover the fascinating progression of binding spells, erotic spells, necromantic spells and spells of divine evocation... as Chris lays out in this impressive work. 

We compare and contrast the methods and concepts between Goes and  Theurgists, and contemplate the landscape of the PGM. This and much more.

Chris' website:


Chris' book:


E33 Nikolas Schreck part II

October 30th, 2020



Halloween 2020 

We are honored to welcome back the notorious Nikolas Schreck to continue our conversation about sonic magic as well as delve deeper into the topics of karma, death, the afterlife and cultivating the proper perspective on ghosts, rebirth, and much more. 


Nikolas on Spotify


Nikolas on YouTube




E32 Hunter Yoder: Hex signs

October 11th, 2020




In this episode we speak with Hexologist Hunter Yoder of 

Hunter educates us on the traditional folk traditions of the early Germanic settlers to the US. We discuss the art of the Pennsylvania Dutch Hex signs, their evolution... and the magical potential inherent and available in them.


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