The Magician and the Fool Podcast

Unraveling esoteric thought and practice

E53 Vesa Iitti : Lightbringers of the North

September 20th, 2022



In this episode author Vesa Iitti guided us through a who's who of the Finnish Occult scene of the 19th through 21st centuries. He helped us understand the context of this movement and these individuals in light of the politics of the day, and Finnish national identity. We also discussed the Kalevala, the national epic of Finland, which partly inspired the works of J.R.R Tolkien.





E52 Megan Rose: Spirit Marriage

July 29th, 2022



In this episode we speak with Dr Megan Rose about the interesting phenomenon of spirit marriage , and the role it has had in all cultures and spiritualties of the world.  We also discuss what this looks like in the modern age.


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E51 John Opsopaus: The Secret Texts of Hellenic Polytheism

June 18th, 2022



In this episode we speak with author, scholar, practitioner Dr John Opsopaus to discuss his new book  The Secret Texts of Hellenic Polytheism: A Practical Guide to the Restored Pagan Religion of George Gemistos Plethon. 
Only sixteen chapters of Plethon's Book of Laws survive, and for the first time ever, they have been translated into English in their entirety.
We discuss all things Plethon, as well as the practice of Hellinic Polytheism and Theurgy in the modern day, and much more.


E50 The Special Man: Palo

May 19th, 2022



In this episode we talk with the knowledgeable and proficient practitioner of Palo Monte, Tata Kiyumba.

We speak about the real world work of a Palero in their community, and the history of the Kongo/Bantu diaspora in the new world.

We also discuss the Bantu cosmogony, Nganga, witchcraft and much more.


The Special Man on Instagram




E49 Marlene Seven Bremner: Hermetic Philosophy and Creative Alchemy

April 5th, 2022



In this episode we had a fascinating discussion with visionary artist Seven Bremner. We spoke about her new book and some of the underlying Hermetic and Alchemical philosophies that influence her work. We also discussed the praxis of art as a theurgic experience and expression.

This and much more!


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E48 Shani Oates

March 12th, 2022



In this episode we explore the depths of the traditional craft practice paradigm with author, mystic, scholar Shani Oates; maid of the clan of Tubal Cain.



E47 Diego de Oxossi : Kimbanda

January 21st, 2022



In this episode we spoke to Kimbanda Priest and Candomble Babalorisha Diego de Oxossi of Sao Paulo Brazil.
Diego educated us on the spirit cults and the deity cults of Brazil and described the differences between working with the Eshu and Orisha.
We talked about the roots of Kimbanda as well as the philosophy and practice.
This and much more !

Diego's website:


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E46 Rocky Geis: Working with ancestors and spirits

November 30th, 2021



Rocky Geis is back for round two. In this episode we talk about working with your ancestors, proper offerings, sacrifices and best practices for interaction with spirits. We also tackle cultural appropriation, gatekeeping, the signal to noise ratio in the occulture....  and a whole lot more.

Rocky's website

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E45 Nikolas Schreck : The transience of life

October 31st, 2021




We are once again joined by international man of mystery and polymath Mr. Nikolas Schreck.
Nikolas helps us celebrate the Halloween holiday with a deep discussion on the liminality of the season and the transience of life itself.
We talk about the fear of death, bardo the transition between states of being, the absolute reality of karma, and even undead zombie sorcerers. 

Nikolas on Spotify





E44 Kerry Wisner: Traditional Witchcraft

October 5th, 2021




In this episode we speak to traditional witchcraft practitioner Kerry Wisner. This was a far reaching conversation which delved into the praxis of authentic witchcraft from someone who has been living this lifestyle for many years.

We touched on numerous important topics such as working with the spirits of nature, the tools employed by the traditional practitioner, working with the shadow, ethics in practice and much more.....


Kerry's books


Kerry's website



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